Pimp on his way out of Liquid

Striker

23-3-2017 04:45

Jacob "Pimp" Winneche has been moved to substitute while Liquid are negotiating his transfer with interested teams, the organization revealed on their website.

Jacob "⁠Pimp⁠" Winneche's spell as an active member of Liquid comes to an end after he had been part of the team for over nine months, since June last year.

The move comes after a series of mixed results, including group stage exits at the ELEAGUE Major, IEM Oakland, and ESL Pro League Season 4 Finals, as well as a semi-finals finish at ESL One New York.

Pimp's Liquid spell is coming to an end

The Dane's departure from Liquid is the second time the active roster had changed in as many months, after Peter "⁠stanislaw⁠" Jarguz replaced Spencer "⁠Hiko⁠" Martin in early February.

According to the release, the American organization is currently negotiating Pimp's transfer with interested parties while they are looking for his replacement. In the meantime, the 21-year-old will act as an active substitute.

"It’s with mixed feeling of sadness and excitement that I will no longer be a part of the Team Liquid starting roster. I no longer feel that playing for Liquid fulfills my personal expectations & goals, nor do I feel I can provide the commitment necessary to continue with the team on a long term basis." Pimp said in a statement.

"It has been a great ride and an experience I would not trade for anything in the world. I am not done as a player by any means, and I am actively looking for another team with a vision similar to mine. I want to take this time to thank Liquid for everything they’ve done and provided for me, a life experience I wouldn’t be without!"

“It’s with mixed feeling of sadness and excitement that I will no longer be a part of the Team Liquid starting roster. I no longer feel that playing for Liquid fulfills my personal expectations & goals, nor do I feel I can provide the commitment necessary to continue with the team on a long term basis.

It has been a great ride and an experience I would not trade for anything in the world. I am not done as a player by any means, and I am actively looking for another team with a vision similar to mine. I want to take this time to thank Liquid for everything they’ve done and provided for me, a life experience I wouldn’t be without!

Liquid's roster is following:

Nick "⁠nitr0⁠" Cannella
Jonathan "⁠EliGE⁠" Jablonowski
Josh "⁠jdm64⁠" Marzano
Peter "⁠stanislaw⁠" Jarguz
Jacob "⁠Pimp⁠" Winneche (substitute)

Wilton "⁠zews⁠" Prado (coach)

Outside of their online duties in ESL Pro League, Liquid have a number of offline events coming up in April, including cs_summit (April 19-23) and DreamHack Open Austin (April 28-30).

Expected this from Pimp.

2017-03-23 04:46

30 replies

Pimp doesn't give a fuck about NA cs he ain't S1mple

2017-03-23 04:51

thank god pimps is terible

2017-03-23 05:19

20 replies

Agree, finallly!

2017-03-23 07:08

draken to liquid?

2017-03-23 07:38

Better than fucking Nitro doe

2017-03-23 09:22

1 reply

true

2017-03-23 10:49

Well... idk if he's really terrible but there was too high expectations of him joining Liquid, he was overrated

2017-03-23 11:18

2 replies

ye, kinda hard to fill the shooes of simple xD

2017-03-23 12:47

seeming as liquid was actually worse after pimp joining than when they had adreN, he didn't fill anything at all the fall between major final and constantly dicked by top teams isnt just the difference between a carry player and an average player, it's the difference between a carry player and one that doesnt get many high impact kills at all even when s1mple didnt carry liquid with s1mple did well against good teams. S1mple didnt have to carry at all for them to beat faze or nv, etc. in the mlg and cologne majors. Why can't they do it with pimp? well, because s1mple isnt a stupid low impact player. even when hes not carrying hes still solid

2017-03-23 16:15

Pimp was great. He did all of the roles no one else wanted to do. With Pimp in the team, it felt like we were one or two steps away from being a serious team (-nitr0 imo and -jdm if it came down to it). Now we're three steps back. Is this stanislaw's doing? Sure he said he left of his own will but it felt like it happened shortly after stan arrived

2017-03-23 12:42

Please tell me what role pimp was playing, because he was not supporting/throwing nades, he was not entrying and setting his team up to frag, what "bitch role" was he playing? I have no idea how this narrative came about. Watch pimp in liquid's extremely important games. He gets rekt not paying attention VERY often, and doesn't generally get a ton of high impact kills.

2017-03-23 16:11

Pimp was the most skilled player they could psiblly have to do such a shit roles, Na cs will stay shit as always i am glad for pimp, he might end up in heroic or even north in future

2017-03-23 14:48

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Please take a second to think about every team pimp has joined and every team pimp has left. EVERY SINGLE TIME HE LEFT THEY GOT BETTER, EVERY TIME HE JOINED THEY GOT WORSE. Please pay attention and watch, if he joins a good team, they WILL get worse, and if liquid gets a reasonable replacement they will improve. I guarantee it.

2017-03-23 16:09

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You seem overly emotional about it. And it's obviously clouding your views on the matter.

2017-03-23 16:29

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Is what I said not true? Look at every team pimp has joined and left. Left dignitas, hmm north top 5, left heroic oh theyre top 10, joined liquid oh theyve gone from top 5 to top 15, LUL

2017-03-23 16:30

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See thats why ns cs suck, you just dont understand..cu mam

2017-03-23 17:46

You euros really have no response lmao...Why do you think liquid won games with s1mple without him carrying that they wouldnt win with pimp? hltv.org/match/2301823-faze-liquid-mlg-c.. hltv.org/match/2303316-liquid-envyus-esl..

2017-03-23 17:48

Yes my man yes i didnt read any of your com xD

2017-03-23 17:51

Your statements are superficially true, but imo its more about correlation than causalities, and those two are very different things.

2017-03-23 18:19

If I didn't watch pimp play and see he was an absolute dumbfuck and see him ruin dignitas and sk by trying to awp i wouldnt correlate them, but whenever you tell people pimp sucks they go "LOOK AT HIS STATSSSSS" so i try to come up with examples these people can understand.

2017-03-23 18:24

I actually think he made a huge impact in a positive way in eu. He was solid, consistent and most importantly really good.

2017-03-23 18:58

To be fair, pimp didnt really live up to the expectations people had for him, but i defenitely do not feel he was the first that should be replaced within liquid. nitr0 is horrible, gets no impact frags, is kinda known being bitchy and wanting it his way (such as kicking s1mple), and still bottomfrags most games. I feel this departure seems more likely to be because of the fact that the new captain and pimp couldnt agree on certain things rather than him being replaced. Pimp was inconsistent, either he almost topfragged or barely got any frags, but he still wasnt the biggest problem in this team

2017-03-25 04:51

Hopefully dignitas kicks pita and takes pimp, because he is 10 times better than pita :D PS: Why are so many players leaving???

2017-03-23 07:14

NA sucks

2017-03-23 09:10

2017-03-23 09:26

He was shit on dis team.

2017-03-23 09:47

2017-03-23 11:54

You would consider P1mp q better IGL than Pita?

2017-03-23 13:24

Thats literally the most cancerous thing i have heard all week... then who tf is gonna lead the team, wow

2017-03-26 17:05

expected

2017-03-23 10:02

nooo but expected.... pimp, why u delete me from steam?

2017-03-23 04:45

YES!

Expected, HLTV FASTER THAN ACTUAL HLTV.

cya

Expected.

lol good for him

rip

hi jks

lol

+hiko xD

Rip pimp :(

na destroying players careers

2017-03-23 04:47

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Pimp started a slow downfall as soon as he became primary AWPer for Dig, then going to Sk where he was horrible. NA simply took in a shitty EU player.

2017-03-23 05:42

+1 for sure, unless he was going to call for them I found no reason for them to make this move in the first place. was a complete waste of multiple months for them as success wasn't going to happen.

2017-03-23 12:44

2017-03-23 17:22

Somebody at the TL house need to load up on Vegemite and TimTams.

Haha

2017-03-23 12:26

i predicted it

2017-03-23 04:48

Who didn't if anything he stayed a lot longer than anyone thought

2017-03-23 06:46

expected, but this is best for everyone tbh. danish scene is on a rise -good for pimp -NA superteams now maybe?

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Yeah he can join tricked lmao

2017-03-23 06:17

Tricked would be pretty good if they add pimp, but maybe he's ging to eFuture

2017-03-23 07:00

Probably tRICKED, maybe Heroic. However, my hypothethis is he will start somewhere, do pretty well, and end up on Heroic.

2017-03-23 13:29

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Rogue is also an opportunity.

2017-03-23 15:12

Ya, or Dignitas

2017-03-23 15:17

no way he'll get into heroic

2017-03-23 17:42

Moddi isn't anything special, and I wouldn't be surprised if JUGI and/or Niko is on an even better team in the future.

moddi > pimp anyday

2017-03-26 18:07

+huNter

Expected. +RauleS

2017-03-23 04:49

Hiko back to liquid its all been planned out

rip liquid

2017-03-23 04:50

EU is leaving NA pretty quickly

nice news

Liquid should have stayed with 5 NA players in the first place lol. NA has a good pool of players, yet they choose to mostly recycle ex-Pros and bring in the bottom of Tier 1 / only Tier 2 EU players. All of this time and effort was wasted.

2017-03-23 04:54

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you're right, semi and grand finals of major wasted. S1mple lower tier 1? he is top 10 players, and I don't even like S1mple. You're retarded

2017-03-23 05:13

S1mple ended up coming back and forth a few times before ultimately leaving in the end. Sure, Liquid made it to semi-finals and grand-finals of majors with EU players. But where has that led them to now? Temporary success doesn't do much, if anything at all, in the long run lol. Yeah, I know e-sports is a business, but if Liquid really wanted to prolong their success, they would have done more to keep the EU players. After a series of roster changes, some of which involved bringing in EU players only to have them leave too long after their arrival, Liquid did poorly at events yet again. If they want to succeed in the long run, they need to keep a stable roster for more than 1 year AT LEAST, otherwise, they will only make it to the semi-finals and grand-finals a couple of times, only to go on a big losing streak. This will only result in the same repetitive process.

2017-03-23 06:03

Na players will make na great again Oh wait

2017-03-23 05:58

Give semi-pros a chance too, don't just recycle washed up pros. Scenes won't grow and organizations will never know if an upcoming talented player will have been worth it or not. Trial and error is the key to success. If an NA org brought over players from EU that would yield the same results as if they had just picked up NA players, they would be saving a lot of time, money, and effort. If NA orgs could reach semi-finals at majors and other big events with NA semi-pros AND EU semi-pros, then picking up NA semi-pros would be the better (and smarter) decision.

2017-03-23 06:06

hiko and his xD incoming

A few top NA teams looking for players... I would be hitting jks up and seeing if he is interested to leave RNG

see you soon JDM

2017-03-23 04:57

-jdm -Pimp +ptr +RUSH

2017-03-23 05:02

ptr rofl

2017-03-23 06:00

ptr > jdm

2017-03-23 07:45

baited

2017-03-23 12:45

Ptr is trash like every other NA awper only less consistent

2017-03-23 06:30

ptr is honestly probably na's best awp excluding mixwell. more mobile than ska, more reliable than jdm (and he rifles) only stewie is probably better and he isnt even a primary awper lol

2017-03-23 10:52

Pimp is extremely underrated. Honestly guys... -pita +pimp!!!! :D

2017-03-23 05:08

Really enjoy watching pimp play, just don't think NA is right for him

2017-03-23 05:11

2017-03-23 14:01

not eggsbected +It's my

2017-03-23 05:15

ez FANAT ROCKA

2017-03-23 14:51

Gla1ve >

2017-03-23 05:17

it would be a smart move if he goes to optic (if any player remain) and make him call.

2017-03-23 05:18

2017-03-23 05:23

So they lost to clg today? wut a nice joke

2017-03-23 05:30

Called it the day he joined. He sux.

2017-03-23 05:37

He sux? He got picked up by Liquid.. if he sux then what about us?

2017-03-24 13:29

About time

2017-03-23 05:39

super weak player for any top team

2017-03-23 05:41

Liquid a top team? LuL

2017-03-23 07:51

expected ...

2017-03-23 05:44

get him on dignitas instead of bot pita

2017-03-23 05:46

so i guess no more eu pros want to be in NA, first s1mple, than AcilioN, than CRUC1AL, no Pimp :((( i knew this was gonna happen just didnt want it to happen edit: oh ya and pita for his time in clg

2017-03-23 05:51

Different culture, gotta get owner of org to buy you beer cuz you're under 21, can't drive, stuck in a house ofc they leave

2017-03-23 06:20

Simply 1 EU player cannot make an na team succeed but s1mple

2017-03-23 06:50

Roque Pimp confirmed :>

Hiko back in confirmed

2017-03-23 06:05

+ jks

2017-03-23 06:15

Oh god i hope so and -nitr0 +AZR (but i doubt thatll happen)

2017-03-23 08:12

Pimp to rogue

2017-03-23 06:27

I actually think it's the only option he has. I don't get it, he must be swimming in cash from the Liquid contract, and he went to majors. If he goes to Rogue, he will be able to make a fulltime salary, but he won't ever be able to get close to a major.

Jesus fucking christ NA stop with the roster changes! What is this going to solve? Who would be able to replace the consistency of pimp? Very bad move.

2017-03-23 06:34

true the talent just isn't out there was a poor move. i also think nitro was worse but maybe pimp misses europe. sick or twist from misfits are only fresh replacements i can think of

2017-03-23 10:56

LULZ

2017-03-23 07:10

hahaah finallyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

2017-03-23 07:29

can some1 tell me why they dont kick noob nitro? just whyyyyy

2017-03-23 07:44

Well, holy shit, RIP Danish scene. We smart, we loyal, we friendly, we are from BRAZIL! Kreygasm

Rip Danish scene? Forgetting north and astralis are still here LUL

What? Astralis is still #1.

2017-03-23 11:24

pimp to rogue

2017-03-23 07:47

He is going to Rogue %100

2017-03-23 07:55

Noooo... He is good player :(

2017-03-23 07:59

2017-03-23 08:34

not happening

2017-03-23 11:11

kick friis asap and take pimp

2017-03-23 08:42

another EU that goes home from NA #FakeUsaDream :)

2017-03-23 09:06

For the name of mr God PLEASE SIGN DAVEY. PLS PLS PLS PLEASE PLEAZE PLEASE VA ROG PLSSSSS

2017-03-23 09:14

I know I want that too. Honestly though, eUnited is doing very well since DAVEY joined, maybe he will leave after the season is over.

2017-03-23 10:12

I see you are a man of culture as well. But srly, DAVEY would be a good addition. He could be a secondary awp support rifler or even a fucking star(nitr0 could go to the more supportive role). Let s just hope for that move, I really want to see DAVEY on a good team :D

2017-03-23 22:45

We will see what happens I guess.

2017-03-24 10:21

haha he got rekt because he is the same fat toxic cunt

2017-03-23 09:23

Maybe add JasonR?

2017-03-23 10:11

He'll join at Optic :D

2017-03-23 10:15

-pita +Pimp ?

2017-03-23 10:20

Well Pimp wasn't that good as expected to be....

2017-03-23 10:25

no s1mple no wins

2017-03-23 10:42

pp.userapi.com/c309519/v309519365/659d/q..

2017-03-23 10:45

+ Hiko

i think nitro was worse but maybe pimp misses europe. sick or twist from misfits are only fresh replacements i can think of with talent. its either that or an na shuffle with players like shroud, n0thing, tarik, freak, nitro.. eww sounds horrible

2017-03-23 10:59

imo reasonable chance optic completely falls apart and liquid picks up one more player

2017-03-23 11:03

yea i agree, one of the 3 na teams has to die for the others to succeed.

2017-03-23 11:16

i dont think c9 will ever succeed unless they fire their entire roster and start over

2017-03-23 11:20

yep i think it would be best if c9 goes. imagine putting stewie or autimatic on liquid or optic. instantly solves their problems

2017-03-23 11:31

if they want to pick up cheaters there are plenty of options

2017-03-23 11:55

ahahah

2017-03-23 12:17

+ stewie pls

- cajunb + pimp in north inc

2017-03-23 11:10

Why the fuck nobody here talks about the fact that JDM has to go.

2017-03-23 11:13

-fox +pimp

2017-03-23 11:25

Pimp to Dig, -Pita +Pimp

2017-03-23 11:50

He should become a female team's coach and become a real pimp

2017-03-23 12:02

Liquid has made so many questionable rosterchanges recently. I don't even know why they added Pimp from the start if they want to be a top team. Pimp obviously does not belong in the very top, which has been proven prior to him joining Liquid. jdm64 is another questionable addition to the roster. I'm yet to be impressed by him. He's a decent awper but that is all he is, he simply can not play with rifles consistently at a high level. And why couldn't they keep Hiko despite the addition of stanislaw? Who is also a questionable addition. Sure he had some very few good results with OpTic. They managed to upset and win a tournament but then what? I'm just mindbottled by the rosterchanges made by them. Not one since the addition of s1mple has been made towards improving the team.

Even if OpTic with stan didn't win alot, they were ALOT more competitive with EU than any NA team at the time. OpTic at the major got 12 rounds against Astralis. Liquid got 3. EliGE hard carried his ass off. Imagine what stan can do guiding such a player.

2017-03-23 12:48

You're right, they were. I still dont think its enough and for a long enough period to take very much from it. I mean Cloud9, amongst other teams, have hade those kind of runs before as well where they could compete with the best teams and I don't think anyone in their right mind would put Cloud9 in the top along with the top EU teams as of now. I'm all for bringing up new talent and I admit stanislaw is the most reasonable addition to the team as of late, but all the other changes and the changes made in the team in order to bring in stanislaw. I dont know, it's just feel like they honestly dont know what the heck theyre doing.

2017-03-23 13:04

lol you have no clue. optic had better players not because stanislaw tactics

2017-03-23 13:07

Really? Why can't they get out of groups since Stan left than? Literally the exact same players are still on the team and since Stan left they can't get a single win on LAN, talking about a single map. Please explain how they have the same players as before he left and now they can't win a single best of 1 on LAN? That should be enough proof that Optic are shit tier and it actually was Stanislaw doing a good job to make this shit tier team have a chance at winning LAN games, online I don't give a shit about.

2017-03-23 14:52

U speak like liquid is a good team now

2017-03-23 15:14

I haven't even seen Liquid played a single time on LAN with Stanislaw so no i haven't said anything that implies their a good team. Looking at what we know, Optic has the same players as when Stanislaw was on the team and are pure shit can't win a single game on LAN, go further back when they kicked Stan and brought in Daps to IGL they were shit then to, than they kicked Daps and brought Stanislaw back and only then is when they had any success. Stan leaves the team again to Join Liquid and Optic are back to being complete shit again that's enough proof for me.

2017-03-23 18:33

nice Hiko

2017-03-23 12:20

-NBK +Pimp

2017-03-23 12:23

Inb4 Stan goes back to optic simple is kicked from navi -nitro +simple +Hiko +Adren

2017-03-23 12:34

-Pimp +Hiko?

2017-03-23 13:45

Hiko back in Liquid Pimp to maikelele team. Pita to coach

2017-03-23 13:46

Pyth inc

2017-03-23 13:53

2017-03-23 13:54

Now -nitr0 and we will make liquid great again

2017-03-23 14:38

gl Pimp, want to see you in rogue or heroic. You got great xp in Liquid.

2017-03-23 14:40

who must to leave Heroic for Pimp ? i think that is better Pimp in Rogue.

2017-03-23 15:10

Snappi.

But snappi is IGL. Who will do it?

I'm don't think about snappi igl role. But pimp much better

Good stuff from NA send this shitter back to tier 3 EU.

Pimp for dignitas , Pita as Coach

i think that Twistzz from Misfits would be great on Liquid.

2017-03-23 14:58

Heroic? Rogue? Tricked? Dignitas? We will see.

2017-03-23 15:18

pimp > pita, m comes before t in the alphabet

2017-03-23 15:40

There is four scenarios that would make sense to me.. Scenario 1: Dignitas is going to kick Pita, and add Pimp. Scenario 2: Heroic is going to kick MODDII and add Pimp, to get a full Danish line-up, and then MODDII is taking Pita's spot in Dignitas. Scenario 3: Pimp will take the last spot at Rogue, from the coach LOMME. Scenario 4: Pimp will take Borups spot in Tricked. Honestly i hope for scenario 2 or 4. :-)

2017-03-23 16:07